It was recently confirmed through leaks to prominent legacy media outlets that — despite protests to the contrary for more than a year — the Obama Justice Department and FBI really did spy on the Trump campaign in the 2016 election.
This spying was carried out via at least one “informant” asking probing questions of marginal campaign associates about connections to Russia.
That revelation was the topic of discussion Monday on CNN host Anderson Cooper’s program, where liberal Harvard law professor Alan Dershowitz squared off against CNN legal analyst Jeffrey Toobin. Unsurprisingly, the anti-Trump hack Toobin defended the surreptitious FBI spying activity.
Dershowitz came out firing on all cylinders, stating, “I have to tell you, if this had happened to Hillary Clinton, the ACLU would be jumping up and down the way they did when I was on the board of the ACLU, when undercover agents were put into the anti-war movement, into (the) Civil Rights movement.”
“All they were there for was to listen,” he continued, tongue-in-cheek. “Civil libertarians are generally a little bit suspicious when undercover agents go ‘just to ask questions,’ and I think we as civil libertarians ought to be suspicious of this. Allay our suspicions and then we’ll be fine.”
Toobin stated that this was a “legitimate investigation” and asserted that there was “ample evidence of collusion” between Russia and the Trump campaign, though he failed to provide any examples. He insinuated that it was wrong for President Trump to order an “investigation of the investigators.”
Dershowitz replied, “So you’re saying there was already evidence of collusion so it was legitimate to put an informer in the FBI to see if, a) there was enough evidence to warrant further investigation, maybe to ask some hard or provocative questions that would get them to give incriminating answers.”
“That does sound like a pretty fulsome investigation,” he continued. “I want to know what the evidence was. No judge has found probable cause.”
“I think the American public has to be assured that there was a basis, it’s not enough for Jeffrey Toobin to say ‘there was collusion already at that time.’ I want to know what the facts were to justify that,” added Dershowitz.
Cooper interjected and shared the new narrative from the liberal media that the actions by the FBI were actually intended to protect the Trump campaign and not spy on it, a notion that Dershowitz wasn’t buying.
“When they sent agents in to Martin Luther King during the Kennedy campaign, they said they were doing it to protect Martin Luther King from the influence of communists,” Dershowitz said. “They always say they’re doing it to protect the good people from the bad people.”
“That may be true. Let’s get the facts,” he continued. “I’m not willing to accept an assumption that law enforcement is always legitimate, that without judicial oversight, that what they do is always correct.”
“I want to apply the shoe on the other foot test, if this had been an intrusion into the Hillary Clinton campaign, would people be saying the same thing, or is this special lack of concern because it is Donald Trump. I just want to be sure,” he added.
Toobin nevertheless reiterated his belief that Trump’s directive to investigate the investigators was an effort to destroy the initial investigation against him. Dershowitz disagreed and said the move wouldn’t destroy the investigation but was merely meant obtain all of the facts.
Toobin snidely stated, “And if your apartment has nothing to fear, it’s OK if the FBI searches the place.” Dershowitz flipped that right back on Toobin and insinuated that if the investigation was all above board, then the FBI had nothing to fear from the additional inquiry.
Alan Dershowitz is absolutely right to question the methods used by the FBI to investigate the Trump campaign, particularly given the fact there is still no evidence of collusion to provide a legitimate basis for the investigation in the first place.
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